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- wondersofwine - 05-30-2003
Go to www.wineloverspage.com and scroll back through May 28th entries to one from Hoke Harden (or do search function): TN: 1983 Chambolle Musigny Domaine G. Roumier. He does a nice job of evoking the quality of a marvelous red Burgundy. He admits that the search for the outstanding one can be expensive and frustrating, and I may be more easily pleased with burgundies than he is, but I find the search worthwhile.
- Drew - 05-30-2003
And the rest of us are chopped liver???? [img]http://www.wines.com/ubb2/biggrin.gif[/img]
Drew
- wondersofwine - 06-02-2003
No offense intended Drew. Stevebody doesn't get the attraction of Pinot Noir wines, so I'm trying (probably "fruitlessly") to show him how enchanting others find a good red Burgundy to be. How about you? You like Australian shiraz and other reds--do you also like Pinot Noir from California or Oregon or red Burgundies?
- stevebody - 06-03-2003
Mucho Obligado, signora. Yeah, it will probably be fruitless (sigh) We had the vintner from Beaux Freres at Esquin a couple of weeks ago, doing an in-depth lecture about winemaking at his crib and, besides watching a bunch of otherwise intelligent people gaze in rapturous wonder at this guy while laying small puddles of drool, I can honestly say that the Beaux Freres, Belle Soeur, and Les Cousins (his new cuvee concocted for Bobby Kacher) were among the least inspiring wines I've ever tasted at EQ. Maybe I'm just not old enough, here at my ripe old 5-0. But thanks for thinking of us less-fortunate types and I will certainly check out the referral today, as I have a DAY OFF!!!!!
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- Kcwhippet - 06-03-2003
What's age have to do with it? Adam Lee and Brian Loring are considerably younger, and they certainly like PN. Even Gil and Verne like that grape, if I'm not mistaken, and they don't get much younger than them. [img]http://205.243.144.43/ubb2/cool.gif[/img]
- hotwine - 06-03-2003
Yeah, right. I'm only referred to as "young" by my 91-yr-old, 82 lb mom (usually when she's stomping her foot and wagging her finger at me).
- stevebody - 06-03-2003
Age thing: Sorry, inside joke. Brought on by one of the windbags in Decanter opining that he has grown fonder of Pinot as he's approached sixty. I somehow doubt that will happen to me.
I looked up the piece. Lovely writing but I'm too confused, at this point, to get much out of it. I know a lot of people respond that way to Pinot and, y'know, God Bless'em, but I've never had that reaction. I was reading in the WS Forums about Pinots, some guy describing what he liked about maybe six other grapes, widing up by saying that PINOT OFFERS ALL OF THAT!!!!!
Well...no, it doesn't. Not the richness and depth of the Cab in his description, not the grip of an Amarone, not the lively warmth of Italian or Spanish wines. The damned stuff is so hard to grow, vinify, make sense of, etc., from what I hear from vintners, that I can only surmise that so many people pledge their lives to making it because each one thinks he or she will be that one in 10,000 who captures the magic that stunned them in the first place.
I make no claims to having the world's best palate but I've been a chef for 30 years and I'm trained out the yazoo to distinguish flavors and the Beaux Freres tasting we had recently showed me that I'm not crazy. The wines were actually unpleasant to drink and a lot of the other people present said it, too. They all said that it isn't fair to judge now because they should be drunk in 10, 18, 25 years. Jeez, yet another wine I have to pamper and schlep.
My sincerest thanks for trying to educate me. I just seem not to have the gene. The piece on the Chambolle-Musigny was lyrical and poetic but I've heard that from dozens of people. I just haven't found the magic yet.
- Bucko - 06-04-2003
The only thing younger than Verne is the Rockies........
- winoweenie - 06-04-2003
"Like the Grape"? With many reservations. I agree that the P/Q ratio for Burgandies is the lowest IMHO of ANY of the varietals and iffn' I had all the money I've flushed buying green, foul-tasing French burgandies I could take CB around the world on cruises till she gets sick of it.The Pinots in my cellar earned their way there after years of performing. Posting on a stupid burgandy from last nite whenced I close this ranter. WW ( Rockies my Shawnee Patootie!!!!....I was there when Hotsie and IK could skip over the Grand Canyon) (giggle, snort,wink-i-poo)
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- wondersofwine - 06-04-2003
Just thought of something! If you dont get the "point" of "pinot," maybe your dyslexic!
- quijote - 06-05-2003
Oh my, looks like a little "pun-ot"!
- Brian_Loring - 06-05-2003
I don't know if I'm "considerably younger" - not at 42 [img]http://205.243.144.43/ubb2/smile.gif[/img] I don't think Adam's hit the big Four Oh yet, so he's the kid [img]http://205.243.144.43/ubb2/wink.gif[/img]
I was a wine geek at 18, and a Pinot Freak at 20.
- wondersofwine - 06-06-2003
I'm glad we have winemakers like you who will work with a finicky grape varietal. It brightens my world!
- winoweenie - 06-06-2003
I certainly agree Brian. Haven't had enough of your super juice to put you on my A-List yet but the 8 to 10 bottles I've experienced certainly show you have a great mastery of the capricious varietal. Have a promise from my friendly pusher in Costa Mesa to save me a box or so from their next allotment. Will stop by the next time I journey up the coast. WW
- Brian_Loring - 06-07-2003
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but it's really the guys I buy the fruit from that have the mastery. I just buy my ticket and take the ride.
- winoweenie - 06-07-2003
If that's the case then I guess most of the guys I've tried missed the bus. WW [img]http://205.243.144.43/ubb2/biggrin.gif[/img]
- stevebody - 06-15-2003
Brian is far too modest. I got curious after he took pity on a poor bumpkin like me and did a Google on him. If you do the same, you'll find Loring Pinots on some of the most prestigious and tightest wine lists in the country. The name Charlie Trotter ring any bells?
I freely admit to not having the Pinot gene but I damned well have a palate. Brian's '00 wines are still chasing around in my memory from the tastings two months ago. My fiancee, who is the pickiest woman in the world, LOVES his wines. She's planning to order some for my birthday...How the hell did this happen?
It is NOT just grape-growing. If it were, a lot of Oregon wines would be a whole lot better.
- Kcwhippet - 06-16-2003
If you liked the 2000's, wait until you try the 2001 offerings. We had the 01 Clos Pepe from half bottle yesterday and it was fabulous! A few days before we had the 01 Garys' from Siduri. Brian Loring and Adam Lee are defining what new world PN should be like, IMHO. Not to take anything away from all the other great producers, like Dehlinger, etc., but these are MY idea of PN.
- Brian_Loring - 06-17-2003
I'm blushing [img]http://www.wines.com/ubb2/smile.gif[/img]