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- Kcwhippet - 08-18-2003
I've been hearing the reports on the gas crisis in Phoenix, ww. Bummer!
- winoweenie - 08-18-2003
Shucks....No crisis unless you call waiting in line like for food rations in a 3rd world country, taking verbal abuse from every living critter including my cat, and only paying a mere 2.09 for the cheapest unleaded a crisis. I call it a pain in the patootie. WW
- Bucko - 08-18-2003
I hear Gaviscon will help that gas crisis, WW.... [img]http://www.wines.com/ubb2/biggrin.gif[/img]
- Kcwhippet - 08-18-2003
Sounds almost like 1974.
- quijote - 08-18-2003
But there's no humidity, right?
I guess you should just stay home and drink wine--why spend all that money on gas?
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- Georgie - 08-18-2003
The thought of WW behind the wheel makes me a little nervous anyhow....love you, WW! [img]http://www.wines.com/ubb2/biggrin.gif[/img]
- winoweenie - 08-19-2003
Had the pleasure of filling up CBs' truck this AM at 5. Only had a 35 minute wait. Sheesh.....ww
- Bucko - 08-19-2003
Hell boy, drive down to Nogales and gas up! Good burritos there......
- wondersofwine - 08-19-2003
I hear things may get better for Phoenix area after Labor Day.
- Thomas - 08-19-2003
Worse thing, I hear gas prices will rise even more because of the blackout last week. A couple of refineries lost power and did not refine. Amazing how gas prices rise as soon as something happens but they fall ever so slowly.
This past week makes me quite aware that we need some changes in energy policy--which, ladies and gents, means changes in government...
- hotwine - 08-19-2003
De-regulation would be a good start. Get the gov-mint out of the energy bidness, let supply and demand determine prices. Can't abolish eight years of socialism overnight.
- quijote - 08-19-2003
With all of the wheel-spinning going on in government lately, maybe we can hook up a few generators and get some energy that way....
- winoweenie - 08-20-2003
I have an appointment in Tuscon on Friday so thot' I'd fill up my truck yesserday morn. Went out at 7 and lo and behind I was about 20th in line in the shortest of the 4 lines into the station. Took 1&1/4 hours but watched in amusement as the arrendent changed the price from 2.09 to 2.29 . Some of the stations here in the valley went as high as 4.79 per gal. Stone, pillage and burn them price-gouging miscreants. WW
- hotwine - 08-21-2003
From an article in the San Antonio Express-News today, reported by the AP: "There are no gasoline refineries in Arizona, so fuel must be delivered through two pipelines operated by Kinder-Morgan - the closed one, which runs from Texas, and a second from California, which still is working." And elsewhere, "... in a move aimed at easing the shortage, the Federal Environmental Protection Agency granted Gov. Janet Napolitano's request that the metropolitan area (of Phoenix) be allowed to use conventional rather than cleaner-burning fuel until the gas supply stabilizes."
So there are no refineries in the state; supplies are delivered by pipeline; and the EPA determines the type of commodity to be consumed.
Elsewhere: "Price spikes are a result of logged overtime and logistics, since truckers are working around-the-clock and station managers have been working for 10 days straight..."
Sounds to me like the industry is doing the best it can, under the circumstances.
You want to fix the problem? Work on the "supply side" of the equation: Encourage oil companies to build and operate refineries in the state. Offer them cheap land and labor, tax abatements, road networks, and maybe even good old-fashioned bribes to set up shop in Arizona. And get control of the bureaucrats who feel it's their job to impede commerce.
Big demand + small supply..... sounds like a business opportunity.